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What expenses can generally be considered as business related and what are not?

In other words, what areas might get me into trouble if I try to write them off?

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In this audio snippet, you'll hear about:

  • General rule is that any ordinary and necessary business expense is deductible.
  • Must be both A. Ordinary and B. Necessary
  • The IRS wants you to make money. And they know that in order to make money you have to spend money.
  • A business that has been around for years with huge travel meals and entertainment expenses, they'll start to disallow it
  • At the end of the day, if you're making money and have reasonable expenses, the IRS will allow it
  • Certain costs are real expenses, and certain expenses are cost of good sold – important to segregate them appropriately
  • Better to put expenses where they should be, because often IRS won't even inquire about cost of good sold, but they will inquire about inappropriate expenses

Audio Transcript
Travis: What expenses can generally be considered as business–related, and what are not? In other words, what are areas that might get me in trouble legally if I try to write them off?
Yosef: That's so interesting you asked that question. In fact, today, I just got an email from the IRS.


There are a number of IRS online publications that I read through and follow very closely for my own practice. But actually, they just published what's called Revenue Ruling 2007–28, about disallowance of certain entertainment expenses. Which I thought was interesting, because pretty much, they're telling you that if you go to a convention outside of North America, there are certain limitations, under Section 247, subsection H, as to how much you can deduct for taxation purposes.


But again, that's not something that a really small business owner is really going to encounter. The reason that I mention it is because, the general rule, under section 162 of the Internal Revenue Code is that any ordinary and necessary business expense is deductible.
Travis: Ordinary and necessary.
Yosef: It has to be both A: ordinary, and B: necessary.
Travis: OK.
Yosef: Most business expenses easily fit that category. There was a clip on MSN.com from another very famous tax practitioner named Jeff Schnipper. He's also an attorney and a CPA, I believe. And he was talking about how he has a big–screen TV in his office which he uses to record wills on. And he says the full big–screen TV is tax–deductible, because it's an ordinary and necessary expense for his business. And he had no problem publicizing that to the entire world.
Travis: All right.
Yosef: That being said, if I were to take a step back. And again, this is definitely more an art than a science. I've done now a number of audits where I feel comfortable saying this and that is: the IRS wants you to make money. And the IRS knows that in order to make money, you have to spend money.


What the IRS also knows is that, if you're in business, and you're just spending money and not making money, then something is going wrong. Now certain businesses, when they first start, are not going to make money.


If you've been in business for a while, you have to start making money or go out of business, because it just doesn't make any sense otherwise. So when they start seeing a business that's been around for a number of years with huge travel, meals, and entertainment expenses, they're going to arbitrarily just disallow it. Saying, "This is ridiculous."


Just to give you some more insight, I'm actually representing a taxpayer right now who was developing a certain line of fashionable products, shall I say. And she devoted an entire year traveling around the world, trying to put together these fashionable products.
Travis: All right.
Yosef: Now, she also happens to have had six little kids at home that were being watched by a nanny while she was doing this.
Travis: Oh, wow.
Yosef: Now, I know that my poor client was innocently working very, very hard, traveling all over Europe, Asia, the Middle East, putting this together. The auditor was a little jealous, I think, and didn't like the fact that the client was doing that much travel. The point, though, is that it was ordinary and necessary for what the client was doing. Again, if you're in the business of fashion, you will have such expenses.
Travis: Sure.
Yosef: Now, if you're a notary public, you're not going to be traveling around to other countries. Similarly, if you're a web designer, you're not going to be wining and dining clients in very fancy restaurants. I mean, maybe you could be, but you'd have to explain why. Or you wouldn't have to be driving around in a Porsche to entertain your clients.
Travis: [laughs] Right.
Yosef: It's got to make sense. And I think, at the end of the day, if you're generating income and you have a reasonable amount of expenses, the IRS will understand.
Travis: OK. One quick follow–up: was her nanny a tax deduction?
Yosef: The nanny was only partially deducted as a dependent care expense.
Travis: OK.
Yosef: That allows up to $5,000 a year. Actually, depending on how you structure it, it could be up to $5,000 a year if you have a section 125 plan; it gets complicated. But there is a certain credit, called dependent care expense credits, for that nanny, provided, of course, that you fill out Schedule H and attach it to your tax return, whereby you're withholding taxes from which you're paying your nanny.
Travis: OK. Well, $5,000 is at least something. It doesn't seem like you could probably hire a nanny for six kids for a year for anywhere near $5,000.
Yosef: Well, that's true.
Travis: But that's a different question.
Yosef: Typically, you're not going to be able to justify your child–care expense beyond what the IRS allows for the dependent care credits.
Travis: OK. Great. I have some questions about, unless you have something more to add there.
Yosef: Yeah, I wanted to talk a little more about the section 162 ordinary and necessary expenses.
Travis: Please.
Yosef: I think a lot of taxpayers don't realize something. And it surprises me, because I think any savvy businessperson should keep this mind: in business, certain costs are real expenses, and certain costs are costs of goods sold.


In other words, if you're in an inventory–intensive business, you're going to have materials and labor to manufacture your goods, or you're going to be buying your inventory from somewhere else. And then you'll have certain other expenses for selling and administrative, or overhead, expenses. And it's very important to segregate them appropriately.
Travis: Why is that?
Yosef: Why is that? Well, there are two reasons for that. First of all, the IRS, when they review your tax return, depending on what kind of industry you're in, they are looking for certain benchmark ratios.
Travis: All right.
Yosef: For example, let's say you're in the grocery business. I know I keep coming back to that, but it's a really simple business. The average grocer works on five to 10 percent markups. So if you have a grocer that has $3 million in sales and $2.7 million in cost of goods sold, the IRS is not going to flinch, because they know how the industry works. They're not going to red flag that, because again, it's very typical.


If you're a wholesale diamond dealer, your margins could be three percent. So again, if you show that, let's say you've got $10 million a sale and $9–point–something million in cost of goods sold; it's going to pass muster, at least initially, for the IRS. At least, that's been my experience.


Now, the reason you want to segregate out your costs is, because the IRS is using certain benchmarks to look at your tax return, you want to have certain costs that play into your gross profit number. Again, your gross profit is your gross revenues less your cost of goods sold. And you'll have certain expenses then that have been deducted from your gross profits before you get your net income.


I think it's important that these expenses be classified appropriately, both so that you make the IRS's job easier, and it's also easier for you to substantiate the nature of those expenses as well.


I have had cases whereby the IRS won't even inquire about your cost of goods sold, but they will inquire about the nature of certain expenses. So sometimes, I think it's better for taxpayers to put the expenses where they should be than to just arbitrarily put everything as expenses without considering the impact of reporting your gross profit appropriately.
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